So what do you think of DXperience v2009.1?

ctodx
18 March 2009

The beta's out for our DXperience Enterprise and Universal customers, with all of its new features (some of which we've been talking about here) and new install (CodeRush and Refactor! Pro are now in the main install. W00t!). So, now that you've had it for a few days,  what do you think of it?

Cat uses a laptopTell you what. I went out and bought one of the new iPod Shuffles on Monday at my local Apple store, and I'm not particularly enamored with it (I'm not a fan of the Apple earbuds — my ears are a funny shape and they fall out — er, the earbuds, that is, not my ears — and of course the Shuffle is controlled through the earbud cord), so let my loss be your gain. Blog or Twitter or Facebook or post to whatever social network is your scene about your thoughts on DXperience v2009.1, send me the link (remember: it's julianb@devexpress.com), and I'll send the author of the best post this brand new iPod Shuffle. I just hope they don't have ears like mine.

By "best" of course, I mean to be entirely subjective -- Bwhahaha! -- but if I find there's more of you that qualify under that moniker, I'll use my company Amex and buy a couple more.

So get writing, get snapping those screenshots, get screencasting, get your cat to show us how easy it is to refactor code, whatever. Have some fun, show us what you like and maybe win an iPod Shuffle.

31 comment(s)
Brendon Muck [DevExpress MVP]
Brendon Muck [DevExpress MVP]

Uh, you did wash those earbuds right?

18 March, 2009
Nate Laff
Nate Laff

I don't know why but that picture of the cat cracked me up.

18 March, 2009
Sigurd Decroos
Sigurd Decroos

The fact everything is in 1 install makes it already better :)

This combined with all the bugfixes made (some really several years old!), I must say DevExpress is on the right track to become the nr. 1 supplier for all my GUI stuff.

Great job guys!

18 March, 2009
Chris Walsh [DX-Squad]
Chris Walsh [DX-Squad]

Well, found a couple of issues, not that impressed with the simple error with ASPxHtmlEditor, thought the unit testing would have picked that one up, but love the changes in the AgDataGrid

18 March, 2009
awake
awake

Incompatible with CodeRush and Refactor???

18 March, 2009
Anonymous
Andrew

Sorry to say, 9.1 seems very light on any XAF and XPO feature or enhancement other than minor feature additions or bug fixes. Support for DC is not implemented although this has been discussed and blogged for over 6 months.

18 March, 2009
Peter Thorpe
Peter Thorpe

Every issue/improvement I have been tracking since the start of my subscription has been implemented in the new version. I also got some I hadn't thought of like the vast improvement to the date filter on the the grid. It seems to have been a very successful cleaning exercise.

As I don't have to sit at my computer for 3 separate installers the new one is great, I just left my computer while it was going.

Although I am currently not using WPF I like to see developments happening in this so I can later move when there is a more complete set of controls.

Not everything is perfect though, I hoped for more progress on your Rich Text Editor for the basics such as printing and use of tables and lines in the documents.

18 March, 2009
Vu Dang
Vu Dang

Hello Julian,

Good Things in DX 9.1 - (Pros)

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1.

- The integration of CodeRush and Refactor into the setup is very useful

- As we all know, 99% of developer here uses that add-in and save your team from managing another setup build for coderush and refactor. and save us from re-entering those serial alot of times.

suggestion

- modulise the BETA release of WINFORM, WEBFORM, SL, etc...

- so that way, your team can compete with each other, so u get better product.

- i am sure, your WINFORM team doesnt do WEBFORM,

and WINFORM might even finish earlier than WEBFORM etc...

why have to wait for BETA feedback for users who only uses web or SL only?

2.

- the button of launching the training video on DEMOS centre is helpful and get to the point, because some users dont even know those video exists?

- i like watching those video, save me from asking many questions.

suggestion

- the help doco is launch to the web-- make an option to launch LOCAL as well as the web. (cause you already have a copy of the help in local too)

3.

- the xtrascheduling report new feature" is very welcome

- a lot of people is waiting for that i believe and me included

- a ganntt chart would be very useful (i am still waiting out for it)

- the gantt chart in XTRACHART is not powerful "YET" to compete with MS project.

- because you will notice the users of "xtrascheduling get confused when alot of appointments is entered"? too much rows, they need to see it similar to a gantt.

suggestion:

* you might want to use real life data, this will give you more new buyers to DX, as sample data of washing cars is not relating to many businesses?

* probably uses sample data of a real company resources and there schedule for day to day work of project (so then the users can relate to your controls)

4.

- the xtracharts is good,

- in xtraREPORT preview it is clear (vector) when zoom in,

- but when PDF, its an IMAGE (bitmap) which is not good for when users need to ZOOM in via ADOBE PDF reader.

suggestion

- make it to PDF vector output, i dont know how hard it is for ur team, but it will be a winner.

5.

-in general, you have the best control here,

- just get your marketing team to demo the product in a more real life scenario. cause when i show my clients, they says "i dont care about weather in LONDON" i care about my PROJECT late or NOT?

this will drive more sales for you matey.

6.

- in summary

- DX 9.1 is good

- modules the setup component, so you be more agile in delievery your BETAs and real product. so get more feedback back earlier

- put more REAL LIFE data sample (not funny data, they only target car washing people?" which is 10% of all business or not even. hehe

- put more real life DEMO of how best to use ur product, instead of just docking in 100 tools and let people figure out what to do with it. (i like it anyways, but for a new users, they might not know what to do with so many tools?)

- PDF vector charts, and make ur PDF output more niceer, its not as nice atm, its all SQUARY and SHARP, and colour not nice.

make it look nice like ur SKIN (not ur skin skin, btu the DX skin)

have a nice day mate,

keep up the great work,

Vu Dang

CEO

Dangcorp.com

18 March, 2009
Alain Bismark
Alain Bismark

I think that XAF and XPO was discriminated in this release.

Nothing about DC, nothing about integrate in XAF chart module, tree list navigation bar, web tree list, "Dennis module", etc.

I think that in support center articles exists many features that must be included in XAF sources and help, like a first class citizen feature.

Nothing in wizards to generate XPO classes with relationship from databases, nothing about disconected scenarios, nothing about decouple XAF from XPO.

sorry, but i didnt saw great advances to XAF and XPO in 9.1, but I know...no promises, no timeframes, no roadmap of features, many TBD.

18 March, 2009
Chris Walsh [DX-Squad]
Chris Walsh [DX-Squad]

Here you go Julian > chris4sl.blogspot.com/.../changing-default-silverlight-30-menu-to.html

Just trying to figure out how to make the bloody blog wider :)

18 March, 2009
CESAR F. QüEB
CESAR F. QüEB

I'm agree with VDang in split the installers by target environment: Win, Web, WPF, SL, etc., it's a good idea. IMHO Not all customers has a fast connection. Download this big installation setup file each time that a new version or minor update becomes released is not a good feature. HotFixes installers will be welcome.

All us are wishing that DevExpresss implements the nice and useful features available in other suites. Many suggestions were requested since two years ago. I hope that new requests becomes be released sooner. Win/Web development target must be updated with more frequency, I guess that exists more developers in this field.

Regards

18 March, 2009
Anonymous
Christian

"my ears are a funny shape and they fall out — er, the earbuds, that is, not my ears"

Remind me not to read DX blogs during meetings in future... I almost LOLed right in the middle of a serious discussion here.. xD

I haven't had time to try out the beta, but I like what I see in the what's new list.

18 March, 2009
Christopher Todd
Christopher Todd

I have't explored every new feature as I am only testing the features that I was antisipating. I was a bit disapointed with the editmask/range feature of the ASPxTextBox, but from what I gathered on the forum I should be happy when the final 9.1 comes out.

I would like to see another release of the Beta with all of the bug fixes up to this point. I found several and I keep finding more, but I don't know if it is related to the ones I have already found.

I agree with the others about TBDs sitting idle way too long. I think polls or some form or voting system should be used to set priorities regarding TBDs. I am sure there are suggestions out there that many would find useful yet do not know they exist. I stumble on a few from time to time, but it would be nice if we were asked what we thought was important to us.

19 March, 2009
Thomas Grusche 1
Thomas Grusche 1

Very disappointed with WPF controls :(

19 March, 2009
Wim Kleinsman
Wim Kleinsman

I already used the new mask features of the ASPxEditors suite, and I must say.. they're impressive and working well!

19 March, 2009
Rory Becker - DevExpress
Rory Becker - DevExpress

For anyone interested I have posted some details of the Coderush/Refactor part of this beta here -> rorybecker.blogspot.com/.../coderush-and-refactor-910-beta.html

19 March, 2009
Ray Navasarkian (DevExpress)
Ray Navasarkian (DevExpress)

Great job Rory

19 March, 2009
Norbert Kustra
Norbert Kustra

I like the new features in 2009.1, but I am very disappointed with nothing new in XPO!

19 March, 2009
awake
awake

- can one run 8.5 and 9.1 on the same machine?

- @norbert, I agree XPO is somewhat disappointing compared to other ORMs

19 March, 2009
Troy
Troy

I for one, am still disappointed with the lack of development of the ASPxHtmlEditor... there are some serious lacking elements that have been in an accepted state with little attention... when it first came out, I remember being told by DX that it would get more attentiong later like 2008 v2 or v3 ... and now are in 2009 v1 ... with little enhancment... still not a viable solution and my renewal on the subscription is in 5 days... hmmm... what to do.

19 March, 2009
Gary L Cox Jr [DX-Squad]
Gary L Cox Jr [DX-Squad]

I really like the changes.  There are not so many "Wow" affects like usual, however i'm glad you spent more time fixing the To Be Released issues and bugs so now those are out of the way and we have an even more robust product.  I'm sure you are cooking something nice up in there for us all to eat :)

19 March, 2009
Jon Eden
Jon Eden

I've very pleased with the ASP.Net additions (except the HTMLEditor bug).  You managed to get most of the things that almost made me use Telerik.

I'm still amazed there is no decent stand alone (ie not part of gridview) forms layout control for asp.net.  For 9.2 please make that a priority on that asp.net front as it would help so much with app development.

I also think that some form of Theme creator/editor is a must - preferably something that can at the very least recolour existing themes (and doesn't require a Photoshop licence!).

19 March, 2009
RAUL TORTIMA
RAUL TORTIMA

Does anyone know if its ok to have 2 versions installed (I currently have 8.3.4) at the same time?

19 March, 2009
Chris Walsh [DX-Squad]
Chris Walsh [DX-Squad]

Raul, yes you can run 9.1 and 8.3.5 sidebyside

19 March, 2009
James Liley
James Liley

Upgraded to 9.1 and now started getting 'specified cast is invalid' errors when I try to save a new row in aspxgridview. Seems to only be when I have a templated detail row specified. Is this the right place to report this?

19 March, 2009
Roel Vlemmings
Roel Vlemmings

In general, it seems a bit light on the WinForms side. Very focussed on WPF and Silverlight. But then we did get some awesome WinForms stuff a few releases back.

Two thing that are again missing and that I have been wanting and tracking for so long, but are yet again not included (I look for it eagerly every release)

1. The ability to keep at least one unbound row frozen at the top of the XtraGrid.

2. The ability to have a bold or italic or underlined word (i do not need full HTML support) when I use the MemoEdit control to put multiple lines in a grid column. It would be SOOO nice to have that. Now if I want to say...

Failed to import template my template 1 because a template with this name already exists

... I have to use single quotes around 'my template' to make it stand-out and that looks so ugly. If I could just bold it that would be awesome.

21 March, 2009
Bassam Abdelaal
Bassam Abdelaal

First I was hoping for Winforms PivotGrid to support OLAP filtering this release, now i have to wait another 4 months, we are disappointed with this! its a long time request now.

Second, , Others are already offering complete libraries of controls on Silverlight, i could paste here a link to another competitor having 38 controls ready, if you are not preparing something big in this area you are sure to be late in the game and that's not good

We would like to know the effect of releasing Silverlight 3 beta on your development , what did you find in it that you was waiting for and what you did not find

Thanks

Bassam

21 March, 2009
Vu Dang
Vu Dang

Hi Julian

so who won the IPOD????

thanks for your update on that. hehe

16 April, 2009
Vu Dang
Vu Dang

Hmm, it seem that the condition of the ENTRY to win the IPOD was changed ???

this was not the original CONDITION,

it was said that only REPLIES on this blog to tell what u think about the 9.1 release to win the ipod,

and now: it is said we need to put it on FACEBOOK ???

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QUOTE FROM ABOVE

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"so let my loss be your gain. Blog or Twitter or Facebook or post to whatever social network is your scene about your thoughts on DXperience v2009.1, send me the link (remember: it's julianb@devexpress.com), and I'll send the author of the best post this brand new iPod Shuffle. I just hope they don't have ears like mine."  

ANYWAYS,,, back to DX and VS

keep up the great work anyways guys,

Vu

16 April, 2009
Vu Dang
Vu Dang

Hmm, it seem that the condition of the ENTRY to win the IPOD was changed ???

this was not the original CONDITION,

it was said that only REPLIES on this blog to tell what u think about the 9.1 release to win the ipod,

and now: it is said we need to put it on FACEBOOK ???

--

QUOTE FROM ABOVE

-------------------------------------

"so let my loss be your gain. Blog or Twitter or Facebook or post to whatever social network is your scene about your thoughts on DXperience v2009.1, send me the link (remember: it's julianb@devexpress.com), and I'll send the author of the best post this brand new iPod Shuffle. I just hope they don't have ears like mine."  

ANYWAYS,,, back to DX and VS

keep up the great work anyways guys,

NOTE 2

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Julian, you were ALSO saying you will use your AMEX to get extra ipod for more GOOD posts too,

but the new rules didnt MENTION / implies that either....

So the comment i like to make is:

next time, stick to what you say, as that is very important for business.

on the bright side,

the 9.1 is good, i like it, keep it up.

Vu Dang

16 April, 2009
Guido Volkmann
Guido Volkmann

First:

After several hours testing - I think the DevExpress-team made a very good job with the new features in on visual components.  There are not so many "wows" like usual, but huge numbers of fixes. Thanks for this.

Second:

Non visual means: really non visual changes except some bugfixes on XPO. I'm reading frequently the blogs about XPO and i'm sad, that the ideas don't get into any shape of code. You know: If you using XPO, it's the engine of your application.

Best regards from germany.

22 April, 2009

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