VCL 2009 roadmap

ctodx
17 June 2009

Despite the replies I've posted in forum posts over the past few months about our VCL roadmap, they're proving hard to find. Indeed, I couldn't find my previous answers myself and I wrote them. Sigh. Someone needs to teach me how to add searchable keywords...

Anyway, a quick recap of the 2009 roadmap for VCL customers is in order:

  • ExpressQuantumTreeList v5 is almost done.
  • ExpressLayout Control v2
    • First beta will be released in Build 44
    • List of features will be published with Build 44 (I'll publish them in a blog post then)
    • Aiming for an August release
  • ExpressPrinting System v4
    • Beta in August
    • Release in September/October
    • Features include:
      • PDF support
      • Separate the ReportLink packages into design and runtime parts
      • Skinnable dialogs to bring visual consistency in skinned applications
      • Add the capability to display the Print Preview dialog using the Ribbon style (to bring visual consistency in Ribbon style applications)
      • Add the capability to print TcxLabel controls
  • ExpressQuantumGrid v7
    • Beta in Q4 perhaps.
    • Release late in the year, maybe next year
    • No official details on features yet
31 comment(s)
David Taylor
David Taylor

It looks like the VCL team beat you to the punch. I have already downloaded and installed the v44 release.

Thanks for publishing the Roadmap!

17 June, 2009
Julian Bucknall (DevExpress)
Julian Bucknall (DevExpress)

David: Ha! You're right, they've just released it to the Client Center. Caught me by surprise...

Cheers, Julian

17 June, 2009
Byron Baynham_1
Byron Baynham_1

Thanks for publishing this Julian - it's great to see.

17 June, 2009
Junior Thurler
Junior Thurler

VCL roadmap in June/2009 ? Poor of us Delphi developers... Good are those days that Delphi was strong in our lives... Today just legacy applications still living in Delphi...

17 June, 2009
Ferruh Köroğlu
Ferruh Köroğlu

Thanks Julian,

Great News for Delphi Developers.

Best Regards,

FK

18 June, 2009
Anonymous
M.Baalbaki

I don’t know what to say, but I was expecting more!!

Like new stuff!

I think DX turned their back on Delphi and start loving Microsoft way of doing business, but guys remember what Microsoft did in its short history they always created big fuzz of new products because they can reach everyone of us (Win Platform) they are basically a marketing gurus but in the real life they turned their backs on developers (VB6, .Net1 ~ .Netx) and they are going to do that again and again, so trusting Microsoft products may leave you with no real experience.

Finally, the .Net (or similar) components drive DX into a huge competition with non expert developers that can create good looking components but without solid background, I’ve seen and tested so many (100+) .Net components and they don’t worth wasting time on them while the look was fantastic but the performance is rubbish.

Proving your self in such market will take years because the developers will buy other products and they produce lame software, then they realize the quality factor and they will consider other components until your turn comes, but main while Microsoft will be changing the base platform and the .Net believers will become slaves to any compatible new product.. Think about!!

Sorry, I wrote too much, but I’m burning from and old experience with VB6 and early .Net releases.

Cheers.

18 June, 2009
Anonymous
Michael Schmidlkofer

What is the likely time frame for the Ribbon control to be updated to the new Win 7 Scenic Ribbon style? i.e. change in the behavior/location of the app menu.

18 June, 2009
David Le Franc
David Le Franc

Thanks Julian for this "official" and updated roadmap.

18 June, 2009
Julian Bucknall (DevExpress)
Julian Bucknall (DevExpress)

Junior: This is exactly the same roadmap I first talked about in the VCL subscription forum. Nothing's changed apart from adding more details.

Cheers, Julian

18 June, 2009
Julian Bucknall (DevExpress)
Julian Bucknall (DevExpress)

Michael: You should add that suggestion to Support Center. That way, you raise the issue so that we have to formally respond, and you can track the results. Comments here are not tracked by support or R&D.

Cheers, Julian

18 June, 2009
Julian Bucknall (DevExpress)
Julian Bucknall (DevExpress)

M.Baalbaki: Not sure what I can add here.

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at with regard to competition in the .NET controls market. You make it sound like we're just starting out in that market and the competition will swamp us. Not so, we've been in it since 2001 and nowadays are one of the foremost .NET component vendors. If we weren't, frankly, we wouldn't be around.

Cheers, Julian

18 June, 2009
Bill Seven
Bill Seven

I too am disappointed with the attention paid to VCL tools, though I'm not surprised.  I expect not a lot of people are buying Delphi these days, and so the market for components would logically be getting smaller.  If there truly is a commitment to VCL, I would expect to see a much richer roadmap.  A DX rich text editor, perhaps?  A much faster CX grid?

18 June, 2009
Bill Seven
Bill Seven

Maybe DevExpress could charge more for the VCL subscription to cost justify development?  

18 June, 2009
Gary L Cox Jr [DX-Squad]
Gary L Cox Jr [DX-Squad]

No offense guys, but I didn't think people still used Delphi.  You don't hear much of it anymore these days.

18 June, 2009
Christoph Brändle
Christoph Brändle

where is the roadmap for WPF ? Silverlight ?

(other competitors have whole product lines out, btw)

18 June, 2009
Julian Bucknall (DevExpress)
Julian Bucknall (DevExpress)

Christoph: We talked about it in January and published it as a series of blog posts. Click on "2009 roadmap" in the tag cloud to the right.

Cheers, Julian

18 June, 2009
Julian Bucknall (DevExpress)
Julian Bucknall (DevExpress)

Bill. Nice idea (I'll admit we've thought of it, and indeed think wistfully of it every week), but we believe that the current pricing reflects what the market will pay, especially in this economy.

Cheers, Julian

18 June, 2009
Gary L Cox Jr [DX-Squad]
Gary L Cox Jr [DX-Squad]

Christoph,

 Check out this Url as well: www.devexpress.com/.../Q145493.aspx

18 June, 2009
Anonymous
Scott

Nice to see the lay control on the road map - I definitly plan on purchasing.  I would also love to see the .net report builder ported over to Delphi.

18 June, 2009
Jon Robertson
Jon Robertson

There are indications from the Industry that Delphi is starting to be noticed again.  Embarcadero's goal of "Delphi Anywhere" (or is it "Delphi Everywhere"? :) certainly has some buzz stirring.  It'll be exciting to see Delphi in 18 months.

We've been a Delphi shop for 11 years and have no plans to jump ship.  In fact, we've finally began a migration of our products and our development environments from Delphi 6 to Delphi 2009.  That was a pretty big investment for us.  While we're currently only upgrading the required components, next year we're budgeting to rework our component library and give our applications a much-needed facelift.  I've been keeping my eye on DevExpress for a long time now and will be advocating switching some existing components to DevExpress as well as incorporating new components.

I, for one, am thrilled with the commitment I see from DevExpress for VCL components.  The other component vendors we've given money to only seem interested in releasing new versions for compatibility with new Delphi/CBuilder releases.

18 June, 2009
Anonymous
Maya Opperman

I have many Delphi friends jumping ship to try find work, but they all say they prefer Delphi. Why then is Delphi not more widely used? What went wrong? I'm really hoping Embarcadero manages to get things going again, because I really don't want to have to jump on the MS bandwagen!

19 June, 2009
Anonymous
Maya Opperman

Oh, no, OfficeScan is misreporting build 44 as a virus again <groan> PAK_GENERIC

19 June, 2009
Julian Bucknall (DevExpress)
Julian Bucknall (DevExpress)

Christoph: This year we decided to do something different with regard to our roadmap. In January every year, we all meet up together (management, R&D leads, evangelists) and discuss what we're going to do for the next year. This year, we decided to blog our roadmap sections as we decided on them. No waiting for me to craft a page of description, we just blogged the roadmap there and then. We think our customers preferred this way of doing things.

So, yes, those posts are the roadmap for the various products. The roadmap for WPF is here:

community.devexpress.com/.../wpf-controls-where-we-are-and-where-we-ll-be.aspx

Plus this:

community.devexpress.com/.../wpf-scheduling-calendar-control-in-2009.aspx

The text for the roadmap for VCL you read here was written a couple of days ago, 5 months after we wrote the other roadmap posts. Three months ago, I would just post the major bullet points as a roadmap. No wonder it's more informative: we're describing stuff that's already written or that is in the process of being written. If I were to write a revised roadmap for the rest of our controls right now, it would likewise be more informative (of the three major versions in a year, one's done, one's almost complete, and we'll start on the other in a couple of weeks).

Now, the question I have for myself is, are the roadmap blog posts enough, five months down the road? I'd probably have to say no. Perhaps I should have amalgamated them all into a single web page after our meeting. A thought for next year.

Cheers, Julian

19 June, 2009
Phillip Roux
Phillip Roux

Hi Julian,

Just want to express my sincere gratitude for the work and support you guys continue to deliver for the VCL customers.  I myself have for a little while now whatched the pendulum swing to .NET and was a bit concerned for the future of Delphi.  It is looking like things are progressing in the right direction now which is good.  From reading some of the comments I would say VCL customers are perhaps a bit jealous of features and attention Winforms are getting, we just hope that DevEx do not forget the customers and product range (VCL) that really put Dev Ex on the map as company.  But like I say, appreciate your work and look forward for DevEx to continue to be the premier VCL components provider for a long time to come.

Cheers,

Phillip

19 June, 2009
Anonymous
Junior Thurler

I agree with Phillip Roux when he says that WinForms features get much more attention than VCL products. Just look the graphics of then charts provided with the ExpressQuantumGrid and the XtraCharts and the much better look and feel of WinForms components. I'm a customer of DX since 1999, with the version 2 of the grid, and I'm proud to say that I'm a loyal customer from DX. I really like the company, like the CEO answer our questions and still be a loyal customer because I really like the profissional quality components. Even if the VCL products does'nt have the same profit than .NET components I'm very sad to realize that Delphi's days is comming to us because in my opinion Emcarcadero is not a big company with power to maintain Delphi as a good sell product and with this other companys still investing in produce more competite controls to our loved language. I don't know if Delphi will have a longer life, but i can say that DELPHI WILL BE FOREVER ON MY MIND no matter what's gonna happend. When Anders and the Blue Caps left Borland to Microsoft I knowed that Delphi will be no longer what it was, but know I feel that the end of days is comming from Delphi, since we don't have more companys investing in components, no more authors investing in books and courses, and if we visit amazon's site in a few years a go we constatntly view some frases like: XXX is a Delphi guru that is moving to .NET framework... Thanks Delphi for all the good times and good prograns (and good profits) that you gived to me. YOU WILL BE ALWAYS ON MY HEART!

20 June, 2009
Y Developer
Y Developer

Downloaded and installed VCL 44. While it upgraded my ExpressLayoutControls I did not get any option of installing the beta 2 version.

21 June, 2009
Anonymous
AlexM (DevExpress)

Y Tauber, updating to a newer Build version shouldn't automatically upgrade your installed products to new major product versions. Make certain that the context menu displays 1.44 for your ExpressLayout Controls. If this is not the case, please submit an issue to our Support Center at www.devexpress.com/.../Center.

22 June, 2009
Julian Bucknall (DevExpress)
Julian Bucknall (DevExpress)

Scott: I'd have to say, at this point in the game, there are too many well-established alternatives out there for reporting in Delphi for us to spend our time/resources on a new report builder. We'd rather spend them where we can make a bigger bang and, with the new stuff in the layout control, watch out for the explosions ;)

Cheers, Julian

22 June, 2009
Julian Bucknall (DevExpress)
Julian Bucknall (DevExpress)

Phillip, et al: for the first time in quite a while, we've been recruiting into our VCL development team. We're feeling a little more optimistic than, say, a year ago.

However, I can't emphasize it enough to Delphi developers: get Delphi 2009 already. It really is the best thing since Delphi 6/7. If you don't, you're doing your bit to snuff Delphi's recovery.

Cheers, Julian

22 June, 2009
Anonymous
Maya Opperman

www.theregister.co.uk/.../embarcadero_codegear_tools_future

Great News!

Looks like next version of Delphi will be able to compile for Mac and Linux too.. with the same source, not separate components like Kylix had.

Good reason NOT to go .NET just yet, if you were considering that change.

We have had loads of requests for our product to run natively on Linux, and now Mac too.

23 June, 2009
Mattias Olsson
Mattias Olsson

"However, I can't emphasize it enough to Delphi developers: get Delphi 2009 already. It really is the best thing since Delphi 6/7. If you don't, you're doing your bit to snuff Delphi's recovery. "

Well, I can't because I must have coderush.. Changing editors is not easy..

27 November, 2009

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